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Rudyard and Andrew talk about the conspiracy moment we are living through. Why is the right so drawn to conspiracy theories? Andrew suggests that to be conservative is to be skeptical and contrarian, which leads to questioning scientific fact and evidence. It's particularly rife at this moment, when so many people feel powerless and mistrustful of the government. Epstein is especially attractive to this crowd who want to believe the Democratic establishment is complicit in his crimes. The Epstein conspiracy was at the heart of the political movement that brought Trump to power, and the US President is finding that his followers are not falling into line the way they usually do. In the remaining moments of the show Rudyard and Andrew turn to Ukraine and an unprecedented Russian bombing campaign of Ukrainian cities in recent weeks against a backdrop of planned peace talks. Trump is giving Russia time to make concessions, and Ukraine is waking up to the realization that they can't rely on the US. In the meantime a very strange bill was introduced in the Ukrainian parliament to shut down anti-corruption agencies which provoked huge protests in Ukraine. Zelensky's signing of this bill will have important ramifications for Ukraine's image in the world and their internal desire to keep fighting this war.